then he said let detroit go bankrupt and let the auto industry collapse and that has pretty much done them in ohio. the reason that pennsylvania and michigan are off the table is similar. you can't win that working class vote while saying hey, the industry that you work in should be gone. >> well -- >> just be careful about saying off the table. you know, or did him in ohio, because these things do have a way of changing sometimes and ohio has been a pretty conservative state for a long time and some of the demographic groups that obama does well with are not very present -- >> and the voter i.d. issue is very much alive in ohio and whether or not they're going to be enough, you know, polling booths, whether or not there will be enough absentee ballots or early ballot goss out. in a straight level playing field in ohio this is obama's to lose. >> well, look, the president has a great message to take to each one of these states. in ohio maybe manufacturing jobs, in florida it's medicare. this is something team obama said we relish the fight, the debate over medicare, the president talk